In this conversation, Sir Mark Grundy, CEO of Shireland Collegiate Academy Trust, reflects on his 28 years of innovation and leadership, joined by Mick Waters to explore what it takes to lead effectively in times of rapid change. Together, they discuss the key ingredients for successful digital transformation, the importance of curiosity and continuous learning, and how to implement change strategically rather than heroically, ensuring progress lasts beyond any one individual. The discussion also delves into using technology in “mundanely clever” ways, fostering innovation, raising standards for all, and focusing on how you lift people up and take them with you.